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Post by bob » 01/26/02, 5:44 am

I was speaking to someone this morning (salesman) who told me there is a lot of hardware incompatible with AMD processors--he mentioned Radion vid cards and some other things. Can anyone expand on this? I've been figuring my next machine's be an AMD, but I'm not going to touch it if I have to look for special versions of hardware...

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Post by vipe » 01/26/02, 6:50 am

Personally, I think he's trying to get you to buy an Intel instead. I'm not sure if this sales guy gets a commission on sales? I do know, however, that with most large retail chains - they will push only Intel's because they advertise in store (can we say kickbacks here? heh) whereas AMD hardly doesn't, if at all.

I'd also take in consideration the way the salesman presented products to you. I've had ones that just read me the information page by the computers for sale - and can tell me nothing more about it.

I have 2 AMD systems with nVidia GeForce cards and no problems to date. I can't tell you about Radeon, but if you're going with an AMD processor, GeForce would be your best bet IMO.

I'll try to look around at sites and see if there really is a problem with AMD/Radeon combo. You have to keep in mind a salesman's job is too sell - and he'd rather sell to earn more commission/sales for his himself/store than giving you his honest opinion - wouldn't you do the same? And I'm far from saying that every salesman doesn't give you their honest opinion - just that money runs the world.
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Post by JohnT » 01/26/02, 8:09 am

If your running Linux, there might be some inconsistencies with non-Intel "specific". I believe (but won't swear to it) in my investigation of my ATI card compatibility, or lack thereof, I seem to remember something to this effect on the xfree86 site or one linked to it. It didn't register fully as most superfulous (to my situation) info doesn't, but there was something at odds with the two, and Intel was suggested. I think it's more of a OS/hardware issue, along some very fine and indistinct lines.

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Post by Dark Shadow » 01/26/02, 7:22 pm

Ok, I AM a salesman at Best Buy and I can tell you that AMD DOES have some compatability problems with Radion Vidio cards, but nothing that can't be fixed with lil software patches. Nothing to worry about. Ohh, and look for the new USB 2.0 in Best Buy. It runs at 450 Mbps insted of the old USB that ran at 12 Mbps. Most 2.0 cards have one internal port that has the option to connect an external hard drive/burner to the inside of your computer. Nice huh?

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Post by bob » 01/27/02, 2:13 am

OK, the Radion card was just an example--I was told there were many hardware incompatibilities... No further examples though.

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Post by Dark Shadow » 01/27/02, 6:43 pm

If he thinks that there are any more incompatability issues than any P4 has, he is mistaken. They have just about equil amount of compatability issues each. That is why so many different kinds of hardware are sold. As far as software goes, maybe one title in a million will have troubles. Thats what the AMD reps tell us. I've also talked to the Intel reps and they tell us the same thing. I have no idea what the heck this dude is talking about, but I know that I've gone to even different Best Buys and sales guys talk out of their A$$ more then they know what they are talking about. It is sometimes hard to believe, but when you pay guys $10/hr you get crap like that slipping in.

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Post by RedRage » 01/29/02, 2:49 am

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The older athlons where well known to have issues with certian hardware. The new ones do have some issues but i think the number is dramatically reduced.

If you get decent quality, and get stuff from AMD's recomended/approved list that they have somewhere, I don't think you'll have a problem.

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Post by Dark Shadow » 01/29/02, 8:58 am

As if Intel can boast that their Celeron has any better compatability...

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Post by Gerry » 01/31/02, 4:57 am

I have had 2 different jobs in sales.

99.9% of the time you find your are talking out of your ass!!
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Post by Dark Shadow » 01/31/02, 7:21 am

Well, that depends. The supervisor, Senior, Sales Manager, and Manager of the computer section of our store don't know a fraction as much as I do about computers yet they sell them every day. I could sell something I know nothing about and do just fine as long as I listened to someone talk about it first. For me though, I do know what I am talking about, but you are right that 99.9% of the time most sales guys talk out of their A$$ (especially if they are from Comp USA or Circut City). Most of the reason for that is that they arn't satisfied working in a department that they know everything about, or maybe they just don't know anything about anything to begin with. Either way, there are a few good men among the masses. <IMG SRC="/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

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Post by Gerry » 01/31/02, 7:48 am

For me it wasn't that I didn't know anything about the product or whatever, it's just that every time I was caught being honest with a customer, which lead to them buying a product that they actually needed and not the most expensive product, I was pulled up for it. They trained us to say what ever we needed to, in order to get the highest profit. It was the exact same in both sales jobs.
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Post by Dark Shadow » 01/31/02, 10:32 am

Really? At Best Buy they do want us to sell people a lot of accessories, but as far as systems are concerned, we make just the same amount off of every computer we sell (except for Matrix computers) so we really don't care if we sell someone a $500 computer or a $3000 computer.

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Post by RedRage » 02/01/02, 4:01 am

I've never had a problem with a Celeron cept when i overclocked them. I'm running 2 dual Celeron systems now no issues besides the fact that they are getting "old".

the K6 and K6-2's just had issues.. i could never really understand why people used these (other than price). The Slot A's did get much better but still some problems, I think alot of the problems where fixed with BIOS and Driver updates though. If i'm not mistaken alot of the problems where from the AGP Chipset but i don't remember now.

If i where buy'n a system for stability (server apps and such).. I would get a PIII 1.2ghz or a Xeon PIII. If i where going for pure speed/gaming I would go with an AMD 1900xp.

I would have to agree that the average sales person knows jack about what they're pushing. There are some really good ones though, especially at the small local business level.

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Post by Dark Shadow » 02/03/02, 5:26 am

Yeah, I like the PIII, cept that they are hard to find in any kind of speed. In fact I use a PIII currently. K-6 chips have just made my life misserable. I've seen a bunch of them overheat and even <u>MELT</u>. Uggg... nothing wose then a gaping two inch hole in a mother board.

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